joining us, jim rubens, chair of the granite state coalition against expanding gambling. on the cnbc news line, judy patterson for the american gaming association. judy, reading a paper earlier today on the business impact of licensed casino gambling in west virginia, and it basically stated, over time, casinos cost communities more than they bring in. your response? >> absolutely false. there is study after study to show. there's also, i want you to remember, history since 1977 when the first casino -- when we just had casinos in nevada. it is now expanded, as your commentator said, to 23 states. we have the experience of demonstrating that nationwide we have over 350,000 jobs that are created, and those are just direct jobs. that's not talking about the jobs that are created for all the suppliers and vendors that provide products to this industry, nor is it talking about the jobs that all those casino employees and all of those other suppliers and vendors create when they take their wages and go back out in the community. >> jim, what's your concern about casinos in new